There are a whole lot of legitimate criticisms that can be made against the Guilford County Board of Commissioners; however, one of those criticisms is not that the board’s lack of funding for the schools has caused the recent repeated problems with the HVAC system at Page High School – which has led to several days of lost learning for the students.
Page High, in what has been a highly publicized controversy, has been closed multiple days in January due to heating problems – and the school would have lost more days had the snow and ice not later halted the entire school system.
On some days when the rest of the school system has been open, Page has been holding virtual learning; however, parents of students say that, in most cases, online classes are a sad substitute for actual classroom learning.
Understandably, a lot of parents of Page students complained to the Guilford County Board of Education and to other school officials – and, amazingly, some school leaders pointed fingers at the Guilford County Board of Commissioners.
In essence, the charge was that the commissioners weren’t properly funding the schools.
The reason that it is absurd to think that the commissioners and Guilford County staff are the culprits is that, for the last four years, the Guilford County Board of Commissioners has showered money on the schools for construction and repair projects – as well as for the schools’ operational needs. The Board of Commissioners has allowed $2 billion in school bonds on the ballot, helped pass those bond referendums, and, even before the commissioners raised one dime from the first bond sale, the county opened up a line of credit based on those coming revenues so the schools could go ahead and start spending it on needed projects before the money came in.
No Guilford County Board of Commissioners in history has ever been remotely near as generous to the school system as the current board has; and, whatever the true problem is with the heating and air repairs at Page, it is absolutely in no way, shape or form, the fault of Guilford County staff or the Board of Commissioners.
The county raises the money and hands it to the schools – as the county has already done with hundreds of millions of dollars – and then the school system – ultimately the Guilford County Board of Education – decides how that money is spent and which schools and projects get the most monetary love.
Guilford County Commissioners were obviously – and justifiably – dismayed recently when some Guilford County Schools officials pointed the finger at the commissioners at a school board meeting for the problems with heating and air at Page. They also encouraged those who were upset to go to the Guilford County Board of Commissioners meeting, which a large group of them did on Thursday, Jan. 9, the last meeting of the Board of Commissioners.
At the Board of Education meeting, School Board Member David Coates said: “I hope that the Page people show up at the county meetings and let them know what’s going on. I’d like to say the buck stops here, but it doesn’t entirely.”
School Board Member T. Dianne Bellamy Small said, “I hope staff will work with us, based on what Mr. Coates just said, to jointly advocate to our county commissioners to get off the money. And now is the time to start annoying them to the point that, hopefully, when we get to budget time, our superintendent will not have to sit there and have them tell her that there is no money – because that’s a lie.”
Yes, there is money – lots and lots of it – and that money has been flowing into the schools from the commissioners for years and it will continue to do so at a very rapid pace. For the last half decade, county officials have worked very closely with school officials on the schedule for issuing and raising bond money based on school construction and repair plans and needs.
As Guilford County Chairman of the Board Alston pointed out to Page advocates who spoke on the matter and those who came to show support for the speakers, the county raises the money but the school board sets the priorities for how that money is spent.
The Board of Commissioners, at their Thursday, Jan. 9 meeting – understandably devoted a portion of their meeting to essentially respond to the accusation that the county was in any way at fault for the HVAC situation at Page.
Guilford County Manager Mike Halford said, upon being questioned, “So the short answer is the Board of Education has a responsibility to prioritize that order and prioritize the needs. The responsibility of the Board of Commissioners is to work along with that prioritization, keeping into an account your trustee responsibility to the community of fiscal stewardship.”
Halford added that the county’s responsibility was to have a finance plan that addresses the priorities as established by the Board of Education.
“And that’s what’s been going on, really over the last six to seven years between the two bodies: Here are the needs; here is the Board of Education’s prioritization of those needs; because you all don’t do that – that’s with that board.”
At the January 9 commissioners meeting, Halford explained that the county can’t go out on the bond market and just issue $2 billion in bonds all at once.
He said it wasn’t possible because the Local Government Commission – a State of North Carolina financial oversight board – would never allow it; nor would, he said, the credit rating agencies. That’s because, Halford added, “that would severely damage the financial position of the county and the budget, and remove our ability to do all of those other things you are mandated to do including operating funding for the school system.”
Chairman Alston said at the meeting, “I guess the short answer is that we’re not responsible for fixing the air conditioning and heating systems in the schools; so we want the general public to know that we’ve been getting emails saying why aren’t we funding these schools in order for them to fix the air conditioning and heating systems and the school – specifically Page today – but that’s not our responsibility. We allocate the funds and then they are responsible for saying which of the projects are fixed and which ones are not, so it’s not the county commissioners that the public needs to be holding accountable, and I just wanted to make sure that that’s understood.”
Something may indeed be rotten in Denmark, however, the Board of Commissioners, in this case, is not Denmark. And the commissioners, at their January 9 meeting, used several convincing means – statements from commissioners, reports from staff, explanations by the county manager – to forcefully convey that message to the public and to the upset Page High School advocates who came to the commissioners meeting that night or who were watching from home.
Wouldn’t some of that 2 billion dollar bond issue cover that? Considering that half, if not more, of tax revenue is dedicated to education, there’s no reason for Guilford County or the Guilford County School Board to “poor mouth” us about getting standard maintenance done.
Perhaps we can get some of these well funded non-profits to chip in on getting the heating and air conditioning fixed.
Maybe Skippy can hold a “Hot Dog Sale for Education”….
What makes me giggles about this article is the “recent issues” at the beginning. I attended Page from 95-98, and heating/air was an issue then. Sad that in over 20 years this is still occurring.
What’s even sadder I graduated high school in the early 70’s heat was iffy in winter but our A/C was open windows and a couple fans in the classrooms if we were lucky America has gotten way too soft.
Dan isn’t it astonishing that GCS has only ONE full time HVAC technician and two assistants who cover 100 plus schools. Having a career in that side of the industry I fully understand using outside vendors to fill in but there are some serious drawbacks, financial and logistical that most people wouldn’t understand That number astounds me.
If online classes and online learning are just as valid as in class learning, why not abolish the whole Government Schools system and allow every child to benefit from de facto Home Schooling, as my children did?
[ They both won “free ride” scholarships to premier universities ]
I would say you were very fortunate that your children were able to do remote learning and thrive. A lot of children, including my own, did not do well at all with distance learning during covid.
And, he was able to reorient after school went back in person, and he graduated with honors as well.
Sorry to hear that, Walter. It’s different strokes for different folks, I guess.
I have no real objection to in-class learning. I just wish the monopolistic Government Schools were better at it. My wife & I realised very quickly how bad they were, and decided to home school our two sons. For us it worked out well, but I accept that it’s not for everyone.
. . . because YOU were their parent/teacher & not hired ‘system’ strangers !
Yes, that probably had something to do with it. The education of our boys was very, very important to us.
We weren’t about to leave it to a bunch of indifferent, incompetent public sector place keepers.
PS
i want to apologise to those dedicated, hard working teachers who give everything they can to their students.
And there are indeed a few of them.
Thank you.
plato, socrates, aristotle et al overcame this attitude towards ‘expert educators’ . . . until the ‘hemlock’ moment ?
many children do not ‘benefit’ from their ‘home’ situation – ask many teachers.
Are you a public school teacher, marklsparkle? Your English suggests you might be.
no. & i will read a recent irish history gift as soon as i sober up.
Cheers! [ PS Bushmills is the best, er, Irish history lesson. Available at your local ABC Store. ]
Markel do you know what country Ireland is in
This has been a problem since at least the 80’s. The game has been let’s prioritize our pet projects that don’t involve improved education or safety for students since we know when we cry ” the students are suffering we need more money” the voters will come through. Building maintenance should be a high priority EVERY YEAR! No-one is held accountable for how money is spent.
Typical …SNAFU.
Thank you Scott! That helps shed light on the subject.
Why does it take Scott Yost eight paragraphs to tell us that it’s not the fault of the commissioners but the school board? Did Hammer have space to fill? Poor writing and shitty editing, but you get what you pay for with this rag.
Well, to be fair, I actually told you in the headline.
Have you had your head where the sun doesn’t shine. John Hammer has not had anything to do with the Rhino in quite a while and just wondering how much do you pay to read the Rhino, doesn’t cost me anything but time. Thanks Scott I personally enjoyed the update and information. Keep up your good work.
Thanks for that Rebel.
Time for a reality Czech! We can keep throwing money at the schools but with ineffective leadership and apathetic parents we’ll never fix the problem….. and vulgar comments solve nothing.
But “vulgar” comments can make the writer feel so much better; sorta therapeutic.
Too true, TermLimits ! I love referring to Chrissy as a Posterior Part of the Person !
All part of the fun.
they ‘got’ you !
David Coates the new guy that was elected by the Dems for District 3 School Board in 2024. He has no clue.Page high school was shut down for 5 days due to HVAC so far in January. A $2 billion school bond was approved a while back. Money is flowing into Guilford County schools like never before from the Commissioners with tax payers footing the bill and this guy says he does not have enough money from the Commissioners. He is a joke!!
At the Board of Education meeting, School Board Member David Coates said: “I hope that the Page people show up at the county meetings and let them know what’s going on. I’d like to say the buck stops here, but it doesn’t entirely.”
Where is Deborah Napper who was just re-elected in the Page high school district on the Board? Give her a call and voice your opinion. Her phone number is listed on the GCS website under her picture. Hold her and the School Board accountable. The GCS end of grade test scores are already terrible and 1 out of 3 GCS students are chronically absent…go figure. Safety should be job 1 and it is very apparent this Democrat controlled School Board (for many years) is incapable of maintaining a safe environment in the schools for the children, teachers, and school staff.
David Coates grew up in New Jersey and practiced law in NJ, so he has NJ sensibilities. I guess he thinks he is smarter than the rest of us. And he likes to pass the buck by sending his constituents to the Commissioners. Typical Democrat. What is wrong with District 3? You had the chance to keep Michael Logan, Republican and former teacher, on the school board but you voted for Coates who obviously does not know how school expenditures work.
In the waning days of the Biden administration, we have hope of a return to common sense and focus on getting basic requirements attended to, not prioritizing fuzzy, feel good fluff. The only thing clear is the climate of DEI in Guilford county has only done what it always does, create a fog of unacountability in government.
As former GCS Maintenance employees, we’ve seen the writing on the wall concerning these issues from several years back.
GCS Maintenance is a good place to work but not a good place to make a living.
Most employees there have to work extra jobs to make ends meet, no one is applying for positions that pay way less than private sectors. As skilled dependable tradesmen retire, there’s nothing to attract new hires. Any money allocated to the system is quickly grabbed up from the top for administrative bonuses and benefits only to leave little to nothing for the maintenance department.
What meager raises they get is quickly diminished
when their insurance rates go up as soon as the “raises “ go into effect.
So yes, when you hand over funds to the foxes in order to renovate the henhouse, what more can you expect?
Where’s the money going GCS leadership
It should be illegal, but it is at best unethical, for those who run our schools and mismanage their budgets to teach our children social studies, economics & consumer mathematics. It cheapens the whole experience. Waste Management & Republic Services are hiring & they have less garbage!
Typical privileged white folks in Greensboro.
The facalities study tells u what the order of school repairs is gonna be. And the county manager is right. U can’t issue 2 billion at one time. Has to be done over years.
Just more fake outrage lol. They will be ok
I’m guessing you’re not White as so you will never know that privilege
So only White people like schools that are warm in cold weather for their children? Are you saying that Black parents are not as concerned about their children as White parents?
Term Limits. Sorry you missed my sarcasm
I guess I did. Sorry.
Greetings,
As usual, Greensboro city and GCS “leaders” are doing a lot of explaining and pointing fingers. At this point, HVAC has been a semi-ongoing issue with multiple local schools and seemingly everyone wants to be in charge until it’s time to make hard or unpopular decisions. There are 488 people (exaggeration) in leadership positions in GCS, and as a former employee, I am sure that each received their annual bonuses last month (not implying they’re undeserved). Reallocate or pull the funds from emergency funds – fix the HVAC at Page this week and initiate similar projects at the other GSC schools that need systems repaired – before August.
If we gave the school board ALL our money and resources, they would still cry for more, and would still fail to educate our children.
Duh.
These are not county schools. They are govt schools.
Name something our govt does well. Anyone?
Cop out #417b: “It’s not my job”.
what is ‘broken’ & needs repair/replacement in the hvac system ? have private/local HVAC companies been consulted/hired ?
It’s not just the HVAC. The school has rotting wood, visible mold, water leaks and is grossly overcrowded.
The Guilford County school board is crying wolf. The money is there and all they need to do is spend it wisely, not ask for more. What this issues tells us is the school board is not doing their job on fiscal management.
If it were me, I’d be doing an internal audit of how the money has been allocated, and spent, but the audit would have to be conducted by an outside company.
If I were on the school board, I’d be nervous.
It is my understanding the county actually earmarked money for Page. The school board decided to upgrade athletic facilities instead of HVAC. It is 100% on THEM.
I served on the former GCS Construction Advisory Committee for several years. It became obvious that facilities staff was obsessed with centralized four-pipe boiler/chiller HVAC systems. Northern Elementary School was the lone exception as I recall; it used less expensive unitary systems similar to what’s used in most homes and businesses. When the boiler/chiller/related components break, the whole school is impacted. With multiple unitary systems, only one relatively small zone is affected and repairs typically happen quickly.
they violated the KISS ethos !
Again, do away with this stupid, ineffective County-City system.
The other option is for the school system to release a monthly accounting IN WRITING of what they’re doing with OUR money.
Oh, wait…did I just suggest the creation of ANOTHER useless bunch of overpaid non-teaching occupants for the trough?
Meanwhile, Dudley High School looks like a modern and immaculate College Campus! But there is no prejudice by Skip Alston and his board of bandits where, when, and how our taxpayer monies are spent? You know, kinda like the $50,000 that Skippy and his friends awarded to the Dudley High School Booster’s Club. Interesting in that no other High School Booster Club in the County received any funds at all! No sympathy here for all the citizens of Guilford County that are being left out from responsible funding and spending by our Guilford County Board of Commissioners. This is what happens when irresponsible citizens neglect to vote and/or vote wisely!
Yes, it’s black racism, pure and simple.
The kids in North West High School are still sitting in “temporary” pre-fabricated little buildings – and it’s consistently among the highest scoring high schools in the state (academically).
But – as Skip Alston himself once said – it’s in “Lilly White” Northwest Guilford county.
There you have it, in his own words. Racism doesn’t come more bare faced than that.